[quote]
Кто-нибудь еще пытался связаться с ними?[/quote]
Я - нет. Может и мне стоит, чтобы они обратили на нас внимание. Только объясни, как это сделать.
По проведению собраний все довольно ясно написано в том, что ты мне прислала.
Откуда эта литература? Ты ЕЕ посылала на АО?
Я могу привести ее в приличный вид, сделать брошюры. Хотя конечно, она нуждается в редактировании.

Спасибо, что вы есть!

Ура! Я получила ответ - переведу и повешу здесь.
www.oa.org - сайт оргкомитета АО, где я и взяла адреса эл. почты.
Наташа, я не уверена, что H.O.W. - это именно группы АО. На этот вопрос, что такое H.O.W, мне не ответили. Хотя, похоже, я уже за блохами гоняюсь.
Тексты, которые я тебе послала, мне переслали москвичи. Их (тексты, не москвичей - им большое спасибо!) действительно нужно править. В Питере есть еще один перевод 12 шагов АО. Но вот где он, в смысле у кого - не знаю. Если продолжать спрашивать - может найдется.

Аня! На сайте Кей Шеппард продаются книги, мы могли бы заказать их и отдать профессиональному переводчику, что ты думаешь по этому поводу? Меня волнует вопрос с 7 Традицией, может ли один человек за это заплатить (признающий, что у него проблемы с едой)?
И то, что тебе прислали, тоже можно отдать, чтобы ускорить процесс.

Я поняла, что мне очень нужна группа, без нее ничего не получается.
Что нужно, чтобы ее открыть?
Можно попроситься на Кирпичи, на Съездовской.

Я извиняюсь, не смогла нормально перевести текст письма из АО. Поэтому размещаю здесь само письмо:
Dear Ann,

Thank you for contacting the World Service Office of Overeaters Anonymous. Sorry but the only OA groups that we are aware of are in Moscow. Here is the information;

Tuesday, 5:30PM
LEV TOLSTOY STREET 5/1
5TH FLOOR 9
MOSCOW, RUSSIA
Contact: NADIA OR JULIA
Phone: 492-9642
Note:
Group#: 41149

Thanks for being willing to start a meeting! There is a "New Group Starter Kit", item # 730 for $9.00, which I would suggest you purchase to get things rolling. It contains a New Group Registration/Change form. This informs the WSO about your meeting and allows it to be listed in the international directory. Please be sure to keep the WSO informed of any changes that occur regarding your meeting. Contact name (first name only) and phone number is important, as the newcomer or traveling member uses that. It is listed on the Web site and each meeting must have a contact name and number.If there is no one in your group that wants to be listed as the contact on the Web site, we can use the intergroup name and number should you choose to affiliate with one. We strongly suggest that your group affiliate with an intergroup as it provides great support to the group. At some point your group will need an intergroup rep to attend the intergroup meetings and be a part of the OA community in your area. The intergroup may be helpful in supporting your meeting during this initial phase of your development.

The New Group Starter Kit includes a "Suggested Meeting Format" and the OA Handbook for Members, Groups, and Intergroups . The handbook will come in handy in getting the word out in your community that there is a meeting and as a guide to your group as it grows. It can answer many questions over the years to come. You will also receive a sampling of our pamphlets, a sign in sheet, and a Newcomers Packet , along with a $9.00 credit voucher towards your group's next literature purchase.

If there are no OA meetings in your town, you might want to consider taking a sort of "field trip'' with some of the other potential members and visit the meetings outside your area that are more established. It can be great fun traveling with a carload of compulsive overeaters and great for your recovery. It also is helpful for the groups that you visit. They may want to return the favor and bring a group to your meeting once in awhile.

As for finding the meeting space, be sure to check out churches, community centers, schools and the library as well as the hospital. There may even be an "Alano Club" or Recovery Club in your city. It is a fellowship club where AA meetings are held and often Alanon, NA, OA and other Twelve Step meetings are welcome to rent space. As each group ought to be self supporting, be sure that your group considers a donation, should the facility you choose not charge you rent.
The OA Group Handbook will give you suggestions on how to let your community know about the meeting such as listing your meeting in newspapers, bulletin boards, etc. It might be a good idea to look into the "Public Information Service Manual" in the future. Its focus is on carrying the message into your community and offers several helpful suggestions and examples. It is item #762 and sells for $12.00.Check this link on our Web site for more information. http://www.oa.org/group_support.html#start

Here is the link for the Meeting Format. It is a PDF file. If you have problems downloading in, please go to our web site, HELP-Downloadable files, under Group Support-Suggested Meeting Format. Or we can mail a hard copy to you, or if you order the New Group Starter Kit, it is included in the packet.
http://www.oa.org/pdf/2DSugMtgFormat.pdf

We are also sending this Email to Jeanne, she is the Publications manager and will try to help you with the questions about the translation.

We hope this helps. You are welcome to contact us at any time. Thanks for sharing the message. Have a wonderful day.

Sincerely,

OA World Service Office
Member Services Department
PO Box 44020
Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87174-4020
Tel 505-891-2664
Fax 505-891-4320
www.oa.org

Если кто-нибудь может его хорошо перевести - пожалуйста.
Тем временем, я собираюсь продолжить переписку и узнать, куда-же делась некая Джин, которая менеджер по литературе и которая, так ничего и не ответила.
Такие дела.

[quote]Аня! На сайте Кей Шеппард продаются книги, мы могли бы заказать их и отдать профессиональному переводчику, что ты думаешь по этому поводу? Меня волнует вопрос с 7 Традицией, может ли один человек за это заплатить (признающий, что у него проблемы с едой)?
И то, что тебе прислали, тоже можно отдать, чтобы ускорить процесс.

Я поняла, что мне очень нужна группа, без нее ничего не получается.
Что нужно, чтобы ее открыть?
Можно попроситься на Кирпичи, на Съездовской.[/quote]


Меня волнуют те же вопросы.
я так и не получила ответ о формате и правилах ведения собрания.
И, как видно из письма, нам предлагают купить литературу АО. Хотя я знаю, что когда открывается новая группа АА и регистрируется, ей высылают первый бесплатный комплект литературы.
Может я чего и не поняла...Но я решила, раз предлагают купить - лучше купить. Поэтому сейчас узнаю, как можно оформить заказ из США. Может, мои друзья купят и перешлют, а я передам им деньги.
О 7 традиции - я буду считать, что это мое добровольное пожертвование. Если мы откроем группу раньше, чем придет счет - то сможем скинуться на литературу и перевод.
Съездовска линия - мне нравится. Я думаю открыть новую тему в форуме - о времени и мете проведения собрания АО в Питере.
До встречи
Аня

[quote]я так и не получила ответ о формате и правилах ведения собрания. [/quote]

В том, чтотебе прислали есть ссылка где взять эту информацию. http://www.oa.org/pdf/2DSugMtgFormat.pdf
Я ее открыла и перевела компьютерным переводом, получилось не очень , но суть ясна.

Эх, не получается вставить сюда, пошлю тебе на мейл

Попробую вставитья.
Похоже все англоязычные друзья впали в спячку. Ну это ничего... Дело проходящее
Итак.
Формат собрания АО
Кто может переводите:

Suggested Meeting Format
We have found that consistent use of this format keeps meetings focused on OA recovery, reinforces
our program and encourages unity. It also provides a reassuring feeling of continuity —
an important factor in membership retention. Your group may modify the format to better suit
its needs.
The meeting is to begin at ___________
“Welcome to the [day and time] ____________________ meeting of Overeaters
Anonymous. My name is __________, and I am a compulsive overeater and your
leader for this meeting.”
“Will those who wish to please join me in the Serenity Prayer:
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the
things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.”
“Are there any compulsive overeaters here besides myself?”
“Is there anyone here for a first, second or third time? Would you please tell us you
first name so we can welcome you? If you are returning to OA or are visiting from
another area, please tell us your first name so we can also welcome you.” [Welcome
each person by name.]
“We encourage you to:
• get a sponsor to help guide your recovery;
• develop a plan of eating and if you wish, write it down and report daily to your
sponsor;
• read OA-approved literature to develop a working knowledge of the Twelve Steps
and Twelve Traditions.”
“The following is the OA Preamble:
Overeaters Anonymous is a Fellowship of individuals who, through shared
experience, strength and hope, are recovering from compulsive overeating.
We welcome everyone who wants to stop eating compulsively. There are no
dues or fees for members; we are self-supporting through our own contributions,
neither soliciting nor accepting outside donations. OA is not affiliated with any
public or private organization, political movement, ideology or religious doctrine,
we take no position on outside issues.
Our primary purpose is to abstain from compulsive overeating and to carry this
message of recovery to those who still suffer.”
[Ask someone to read “Our Invitation to You,” which includes the Twelve Steps of
Overeaters Anonymous.]
[Ask someone to read “The Twelve Traditions of Overeaters Anonymous.”]
2.
3.
4.
5.
1.
6.
TOOLS: “In OA, abstinence is ‘the action of refraining from compulsive overeating.’
The OA tools of recovery help us work the Steps and refrain from compulsive overeating.
The eight tools are: a plan of eating, sponsorship, meetings, telephone, writing, literature,
anonymity and service. For more information, read the pamphlet ‘Tools of
Recovery.’”
SPONSORS: “Sponsorship is one of our keys to success. Sponsors are OA members
committed to abstinence and to living the Steps and Traditions to the best of their ability.
Sponsors share their program up to the level of their experience and strengthen their
recovery through this service to others. To find a sponsor, look for someone who has
what you want, and ask how he or she is achieving it. Will all sponsors please identify
themselves and briefly qualify; for example, time in program, length of abstinence, Steps
completed, weight change/relief from food obsession.”
[Pass the Meeting Record Book around and ask members to sign their names with phone
numbers and email addresses, if they would like. Pass the Record Book around a second
time so members may write down phone numbers and email addresses to call or write
later.]
LITERATURE: “Only OA-approved literature is displayed at this meeting. Many OA
members find that reading our literature on a daily basis further reinforces how to live
the Twelve Steps.” [Ask someone to serve at the literature table during the break and
after the meeting.]
REPORTS: [Secretary makes announcements; presents chips and medallions, if custom -
ary. Intergroup representative’s report and treasurer’s report are to be given once a
month.]
SEVENTH TRADITION: “According to our Seventh Tradition, ‘we are self supporting
through our own contributions.’ Our group expenses are _________, _________, and
______. We send monthly contributions to our intergroup or national/language service
board, region and the World Service Office to help carry the message to other compulsive
overeaters. A suggested donation of $2 or more by each person will help ensure that
this meeting will continue.”
OPTIONAL FIVE- OR TEN-MINUTE BREAK: [This can be used as a time for mak -
ing newcomers feel welcome by offering meeting list information, directing them to the
literature table and introducing them to sponsors.]
STATE THIS MEETING’S CHOICE: [Some meetings vary or combine options, as
decded by group conscience. Sample options are listed below.]
Step and Tradition Meetings: “This is a Step meeting, and we are studying Step
____ and/or Tradition ___.” [Leader begins reading from The Twelve Steps and
Twelve Traditions of Overeaters Anonymous and members share about the Step or
Tradition.]
Discussion Meetings: “This is a discussion meeting. Today’s OA program topic is
__________.” [Members are invited to share for three to five minutes on the topic.]
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
Speaker Meetings: “This is a speaker meeting.” [Leader describes his or her
story for about 20 minutes and shares experience, strength and hope. Members
are invited to share for three to five minutes.]
Literature Meetings: “This is a literature meeting. Today we are studying
__________.” [Choose from any OA-approved literature. Members may read and
share, or read and then share at the end.]
SUGGESTED GUIDELINES FOR SHARING: [We suggest you read the following
before members begin sharing:] “As you share your experience and strength in OA,
please also share your hope. Please confine your sharing to your experience with the
disease of compulsive eating, the solution offered by OA and your own recovery from
the disease, rather than just the events of the day or week. If you are having difficulties,
share how you use the program to deal with them. If you need to talk more about
your difficulties and seek solutions, we suggest you speak to your sponsor and other
members after the meeting.”
“Feedback, cross talk and advice-giving are discouraged here. Cross talk during an
OA meeting is giving advice to others who have already shared, speaking directly to
another person rather than to the group and questioning or interrupting the person
speaking/sharing at the time.”
“We ask everyone to respect our group conscience. This meeting has decided that
the chair for each meeting should have the discretion to suggest to anyone sharing that
he or she is off topic or is speaking too long, and this meeting asks you to accept this
suggestion in order to keep the meeting on track.” [We suggest you add here any other
guidelines your meeting has decided by group conscience to follow.]
CLOSING: “By following the Twelve Steps, attending meetings regularly and using
the OA tools, thousands have changed their lives. We offer hope and encouragement.
To the newcomer, we suggest attending at least six different meetings before deciding
if OA is for you. The opinions expressed here today are those of individual OA members
and do not represent OA as a whole. Please remember our commitment to honor
each others’ anonymity. ‘What you see here, whom you see here, when you leave here,
let it stay here.’ Let us all reach out by phone or email to newcomers, returning members
and each other. Together we get better.”
“Thank you for asking me to be your leader. After a moment of silence, will those of
you who wish to please join us in __________.” [Closing of your choice. The 1993
Business Conference suggests that meetings be closed with the Serenity Prayer, the
Seventh-Step Prayer, the Third-Step Prayer, or the OA Promise “I Put My Hand in
Yours.”]
[Meeting may last one hour, one-and-a-half hours or two hours.]
OA Board-approved.
Overeaters Anonymous®, Inc.
www.oa.org
Mail Address: P.O. Box 44020, Rio Rancho, NM 87174-4020 USA
Tel: 1-505-891-2664 • Fax: 1-505-891-4320
©1989, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2004 Overeaters Anonymous, Inc. All rights reserved.
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The Twelve Traditions
1. Our common welfare should come first; personal recovery depends upon OA unity.
2. For our group purpose there is but one ultimate authority—a loving God as He may express
Himself in our group conscience. Our leaders are but trusted servants; they do not govern.
3. The only requirement for OA membership is a desire to stop eating compulsively.
4. Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or OA as a
whole.
5. Each group has but one primary purpose—to carry its message to the compulsive overeater
who still suffers.
6. An OA group ought never endorse, finance, or lend the OA name to any related facility or
outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property, and prestige divert us from our primary
purpose.
7. Every OA group ought to be fully self-supporting, declining outside contributions.
8. Overeaters Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may
employ special workers.
9. OA, as such, ought never be organized; but we may create service boards or committees
directly responsible to those they serve.
10. Overeaters Anonymous has no opinion on outside issues; hence the OA name ought never
be drawn into public controversy.
11. Our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion; we need always
maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio, films, television, and other public
media of communication.
12. Anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all these Traditions, ever reminding us to place
principles before personalities.
Permission to use the Twelve Traditions of Alcoholics Anonymous for adaptation granted by AAWorld Services, Inc.
Overeaters Anonymous®, Inc.
World Service Office
www.oa.org
6075 Zenith Ct. NE, Rio Rancho, NM 87144-6424 USA
Mail Address: P.O. Box 44020, Rio Rancho, NM 87174-4020 USA
Tel: 1-505-891-2664 • Fax: 1-505-891-4320
© Overeaters Anonymous, Inc. All rights reserved.
Our invitation to you
We of Overeaters Anonymous have made a discovery. At the very first meeting we attended,
we learned that we were in the clutches of a dangerous illness, and that willpower, emotional
health and self-confidence, which some of us had once possessed, were no defense
against it.
We have found that the reasons for the illness are unimportant. What deserves the attention
of the still-suffering compulsive overeater is this: there is a proven, workable method by which
we can arrest our illness.
The OA recovery program is patterned after that of Alcoholics Anonymous. We use AA’s
Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, changing only the words “alcohol” and “alcoholic” to
“food” and “compulsive overeater.”
As our personal stories attest, the Twelve-Step program of recovery works as well for compulsive
overeaters as it does for alcoholics.
Can we guarantee you this recovery? The answer is simple. If you will honestly face the
truth about yourself and the illness; if you will keep coming back to meetings to talk and listen
to other recovering compulsive overeaters; if you will read our literature and that of Alcoholics
Anonymous with an open mind; and, most important, if you are willing to rely on a power
greater than yourself for direction in your life, and to take the Twelve Steps to the best of your
ability, we believe you can indeed join the ranks of those who recover.
To remedy the emotional, physical and spiritual illness of compulsive overeating we offer
several suggestions, but keep in mind that the basis of the program is spiritual, as evidenced by
the Twelve Steps.
We are not a “diet and calories” club. We do not endorse any particular plan of eating. We
practice abstinence by staying away from eating between planned meals and from all individual
binge foods. Once we become abstinent, the preoccupation with food diminishes and in
many cases leaves us entirely. We then find that, to deal with our inner turmoil, we have to
have a new way of thinking, of acting on life rather than reacting to it — in essence, a new
way of living.
From this vantage point, we begin the Twelve Step program of recovery, moving beyond
the food and the emotional havoc to a fuller living experience. As a result of practicing the
Steps, the symptom of compulsive overeating is removed on a daily basis, achieved through
the process of surrendering to something greater than ourselves; the more total our surrender,
the more fully realized our freedom from food obsession.
Here are the Steps as adapted for Overeaters Anonymous:
1. We admitted we were powerless over food — that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood
Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure
them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we
understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that
out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message
to compulsive overeaters and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
“But I’m too weak. I’ll never make it!” Don’t worry, we have all thought and said the same
thing. The amazing secret to the success of this program is just that: weakness. It is weakness,
not strength, that binds us to each other and to a Higher Power and somehow gives us the ability
to do what we cannot do alone.
If you decide you are one of us, we welcome you with open arms. Whatever your circumstances,
we offer you the gift of acceptance. You are not alone any more. Welcome to
Overeaters Anonymous. Welcome home!
Permission to use the Twelve Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous for adaptation granted by AAWorld Services, Inc.

Я отправлю этот текст также в перевод.
Но это уже что-то!
Можно группу открывать.
У иеня новая информация есть
На Подъяческой в субботу в 17:00 открылась группа АО.
Можно предложить объединить усилия, зарегистрировать группы.
Формат на английском я также им передам.

[quote]
На Подъяческой в субботу в 17:00 открылась группа АО.[/quote]
Это же замечательно!!! :bubu: А много ли там человек? Суббота - это хороший день, я смогу ходить туда.
А я узнала, когда есть свободное время на Кирпичах, но может пока не нужно сразу две группы, пока мы не набрались силы :bud:
Пн,Ср,ПТ,Вс - я не могу, Чт,Сб - там занято...


Спасибо, что вы есть!

Там 3-4 человека.
Я сейчас какое-то время буду недоступна. Заболела ангиной. Поползла в нору - отлеживаться.